We’ve heard about Putin bluffing. Abraham Lincoln was an accomplished poker player and Churchill dabbled at chess. But to our mind it is Backgammon that best reflects both politics and life decisions. It’s a game of skill, luck, reversals and socializing. So could world leaders use Backgammon to help them develop their empathy, strategic thinking, resilience, and make better decisions?

In this conversation, Jason Pack is joined by Marc Olsen – fellow Backgammon Grandmaster, former professional footballer, and the CEO and Founder of Backgammon Galaxy. Together they explore the multifaceted world of Backgammon. They unpack how it is a metaphor for life, decision-making, and the balance between order and disorder. 

They discuss Marc's journey from professional football to becoming the CEO of Backgammon Galaxy, the conformism of Scandinavian society, and how a rebellious nature led Marc to discover Austrian school economics. Plus: the emotional aspects of learning through games, the relevance of game theory in the Enduring Disorder, and the unique features of Backgammon that make it a rich learning experience. And as they Order they Disorder – how Backgammon can foster empathy and social skills, and the potential of Backgammon as a tool for cross-cultural connection, especially in the Middle Eastern region.

Producer: George McDonagh

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Show Notes Links:
For more on Backgammon Galaxy visit - <a href="https://www.backgammongalaxy.com/">https://www.backgammongalaxy.com/</a> 

To watch the 2024 World Backgammon Championship Final commentated by Marc: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7-ky1bROk">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7-ky1bROk</a> 

For a very fun video produced by Marc and featuring Jason about the World Backgammon Championship: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TebkgCNS7OI">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TebkgCNS7OI</a> 

For Marc on the Gentleman Scofflaw podcast - <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-gentleman-scofflaw-podcast/id1216891117?i=1000650103880">https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-gentleman-scofflaw-podcast/id1216891117?i=1000650103880</a>  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://megaphone.fm/adchoices">megaphone.fm/adchoices</a>

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