In the second part of my conversation with Martin Rolfe, chief executive of NATS – formerly National Air Traffic Services – we discuss the need to modernise the skies, why aircraft holding to land at London Heathrow are necessary and how air-traffic controllers will handle extra runways at Gatwick and Heathrow.This podcast is free, as is Independent Travel's weekly newsletter. Sign up <a href="https://www.independent.co.uk/newsletters" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">here</a> to get it delivered to your inbox.<hr> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.

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