<div>Simon Hart joins James Heale to talk about his new book <em>Ungovernable: The Political Diaries of a Chief Whip</em>. Having stepped down at the 2024 election, Simon has become the first former Chief Whip to publish his diaries. What are his reflections on the Conservatives' time in office? He explains why his decision to resign under Boris Johnson was so difficult, why the Rwanda vote under Rishi was their finest hour, and why the Whip's office is really the government's HR department. Just how <em>Ungovernable</em> was the Tory Party?

Produced by Patrick Gibbons.</div>


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