There's a new celebrity boyfriend doing the rounds and everyone from Jennifer Aniston to Princess Martha Louise of Norway (a royal rebel if ever there was one) are here to confirm that the spiritual-softboi era is officially here. Holly has a precise theory as to why. And Jessie poses a provocative question to both Holly and Mamamia's Editor, Stacey Hicks: is anti-natalism (aka choosing not to have kids for ethical reasons) gaining traction for a reason?&nbsp;Plus, we've had 'job hopping' and 'quiet quitting' but it's 'job hugging' that's the latest workplace trend &mdash; and no, it's not as cosy as it sounds. There are pros, there are cons and someone's missing out bigtime. Stacey explains. And in recommendations: <ul data-start="553" data-end="694"> <li data-start="553" data-end="588"> A criminally underrated TV show that's perfect for weekend viewing </li> <li data-start="589" data-end="628"> A podcast that&rsquo;s anything but average </li> <li data-start="629" data-end="694"> And a cult-fave hair product Jessie didn&rsquo;t want to love... but does. </li> </ul> <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/?utm_source=shownotes&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=mmol">Support independent women's media</a> Recommendations Stacey recommends <a href="https://fave.co/42xo3wt">Shrinking </a>on Apple TV&nbsp; Jessie recommends <a href="https://fave.co/3WtUJDq">Bedroom Hair</a> texture spray by Kevin Murphy&nbsp; Holly recommends <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mid/dr-stacy-sims-viral-breakfast">Dr Stacey Sims</a> on the MID podcast.&nbsp; What To Listen To Next:&nbsp; <ul> <li aria-level="1">Listen to our latest episode: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/the-problem-with-compliments">The Problem With Compliments</a></li> <li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/taylor-swift-ai">The Couple Who Need To Stay Away From Each Other</a></li> <li>Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/holly-wainwright-jessie-stephens-writing-a-book-secrets">LITTLE TREAT: Holly & Jessie Spill The Tea On Writing A Book</a></li> <li>Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/crazy-places-to-have-sex">Why No One's Having Sex In Bed Anymore</a></li> <li>Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/nicole-kidman-keith-urban-divorce">Decoding The Nicole Kidman & Keith Urban Divorce Narrative</a></li> <li>Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/selena-gomez-wedding">Vanessa Amorosi, Emma Watson & The Problem When Kids Earn More Than Their Parents</a></li> <li>Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/celebrity-documentary-victoria-beckham">Victoria Beckham&rsquo;s Version & Jessie&rsquo;s Very Big News</a></li> <li>Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/medical-experts-dismiss-trump-paracetamol-claims-pregnancy">&ldquo;Tough It Out&rdquo;. The Announcement That Upset Us More Than We Expected</a></li> </ul> Discover more <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/" data-stringify-link="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/" data-sk="tooltip_parent">Mamamia Podcasts here&nbsp;</a>including the very latest episode of&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/parenting-out-loud/" data-stringify-link="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/parenting-out-loud/" data-sk="tooltip_parent">Parenting Out Loud</a>, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts. Watch Mamamia Out Loud: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@mamamiaoutloud">Mamamia Out Loud on YouTube</a> What to read:&nbsp; <ul> <li><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/jennifer-aniston-dating-jim-curtis/">Here's everything we know about Jennifer Aniston's boyfriend... presented without comment.</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/highest-paying-jobs-australia/">Looking for a job change? These are 2025's most in-demand jobs that have the highest salary.</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/what-is-quiet-quitting/">You've probably heard the new term "quiet quitting". It's bullsh*t.</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/rise-of-spirituality/">Why everyone is a bit woo woo right now.</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/world-environment-day/">'I'm sick of feeling anxious about the climate, I want to feel optimistic instead.'</a></li> </ul> THE END BITS:&nbsp; Check out our merch at<a href="https://www.mamamiaoutloud.com.au/store"> MamamiaOutLoud.com</a> <a href="https://www.fentonandfenton.com.au/">Mamamia studios are styled with furniture from Fenton and Fenton&nbsp;</a> GET IN TOUCH: Feedback? We&rsquo;re listening. Send us an email at outloud@mamamia.com.au Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! <a href="https://help.mamamia.com.au/en-US/send-a-podcast-voice-note-467960">Send us a voice message</a>. Join our Facebook group <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/outlouders">Mamamia Outlouders</a> to talk about the show. Follow us on Instagram<a href="https://www.instagram.com/mamamiaoutloud/?hl=en"> @mamamiaoutloud</a> and on Tiktok<a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@mamamiaoutloud"> @mamamiaoutloud</a> CREDITS: Hosts: Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright & Stacey Hicks. Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine Executive Producer: Sasha Tannock Audio Producer: Leah Porges Video Producer: Josh Green Junior Content Producers: Coco & Tessa Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. 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