Germany and the Netherlands are both out of the World Cup after dramatic penalty shootout defeats.Rick Edwards and Lloyd Griffith are joined by Raphael Honigstein to react to Germany's shock exit to Paraguay, ask where it all went wrong and discuss what comes next.Humphrey Ker also drops by to talk Wrexham, life working across the UK and USA, and how he spotted Switzerland's John Manzambi a few years ago and wanted to sign him.Plus, Brazil and Morocco book their place in the last 16 and Rick and Lloyd reflect on Cody Gakpo's emotional goal celebration for the Netherlands following a difficult week off the pitch.

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