I don’t think a war with Iran is what Trump — or his voters — had in mind when he campaigned on “America first.” My guest this week is Curt Mills, the executive director of The American Conservative, a magazine that champions foreign policy restraint. Mills thinks the war with Iran is a major betrayal of the voters who put Trump in the White House and has the potential to shatter Trump’s domestic coalition. 
<ul>
 <li>01:27 - Tracking the Trump administration’s foreign policy shifts and dynamics</li>
 <li>08:50 - The different strands of right-wing foreign policy</li>
 <li>15:00 - Is the anti-war movement real?: Policy, polling and public opinion </li>
 <li>27:49 - Israel, Saudi Arabia and the Middle East’s influence on U.S. foreign policy</li>
 <li>40:17 - Why can’t Trump say no to Israel?</li>
 <li>46:20 - How does the fallout in Iran impact Trump’s potential 2028 successors and insurgents?</li>
</ul>
(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)
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