I was in college when Napster hit, and the RIAA instantly became the big villain because it was suing kids for downloading music. That was when I decided to go be a copyright lawyer, which set the rest of my career in motion — and Mitch Glazier was in the background as a young lawyer at the RIAA, on the other side of those cases.
So part of me was very deeply, very genuinely surprised to discover just how much fun I had talking to Mitch, who's now on the same side as musicians and audiences in the fight against AI.&nbsp;
Read the full interview transcript on The Verge. 
Links:&nbsp;
<ul>
 <li>Major labels propose rules to keep AI slop off charts | <a href="https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/973741/ai-music-major-record-labels-charts">The Verge</a></li>
 <li>Suno snatched songs from YouTube, Genius, and Deezer | <a href="https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/966072/suno-ai-music-training-scraping-youtube-hack">The Verge</a></li>
 <li>Villain of Napster era turns on AI firms: ‘It’s a lot more fun now’ | <a href="https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/music/story/2024-08-07/the-riaa-villain-of-the-napster-era-turns-it-sights-on-ai-firms-its-a-lot-more-fun-now">LA Times</a></li>
 <li>Spotify working with record labels on ‘responsible’ AI tools | <a href="https://www.theverge.com/news/800629/spotify-ai-music-sony-umg-wmg-merlin">The Verge</a></li>
 <li>Warner Music signs deal with Suno, settles lawsuit&nbsp; | <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2025/11/25/warner-music-signs-deal-with-ai-music-startup-suno-settles-lawsuit/">TechCrunch</a></li>
 <li>Universal Music and Udio sign partnership, settle lawsuit | <a href="https://apnews.com/article/udio-suno-ai-music-universal-b90f9f5f968101ef617e41c5369da02a">Associated Press</a></li>
</ul>
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