Ali Stewart has worked with hundreds of businesses, including many MSPs, guiding individuals and teams to make leadership a way of life, not a job title. She explains that leadership is not something you do now and again. It is a consistent, ongoing commitment to developing people and helping them unlock their potential. This is especially important for MSPs, where many business owners are technical by background and find themselves needing to evolve into leaders as the business grows. You start as a doer, then become a manager, and before long, the success of your MSP depends on your ability to lead, delegate and inspire others.  During our chat, Ali shared a powerful distinction that really stuck with me. Managers light a fire beneath. Leaders light a fire within. It sums up the difference perfectly. Managing is about task and control. Leading is about vision, belief and unlocking the greatness in others. That is a mindset shift every ambitious MSP owner needs to make. It is not about being in charge. It is about empowering others to step up.  Ali also walked us through her four-step leadership process which starts with visioning. And if you are an MSP leader who is waiting for someone to give you a vision, think again. You need to create one for yourself and your team. It does not need to be grand or complex, but it does need to answer the question: why are we here and where are we heading?   Once that is in place, it becomes about consistency, communication and mobilising your people. That means being crystal clear on expectations and diagnosing performance challenges early. The third stage of Ali’s framework is all about development. Investing time and energy in people and helping them grow. And finally, the fourth stage is about letting go. That is where many MSP leaders get stuck.  We both agreed that one of the biggest hurdles for MSPs trying to move from manager to leader is their inability to stop doing the task. They have grown their business by being in the weeds, and now they need to build a team that can run it without them. It is uncomfortable. It feels risky. But the truth is, you cannot lead if you will not let go. And if you are the bottleneck in your MSP, it is time to acknowledge it and do something about it.  Ali Stewart offered a key insight for aspiring leaders in MSPs. Do not wait to be given the title or the role. Start acting like the leader you want to become. Model the behaviours of people you admire. Learn the skills. Invest in yourself. And be willing to go through the journey of change and development. Leadership is not about being the most capable technically. It is about being the person who brings out the best in others. It is about consistency, clarity and courage.  We also explored what high-performing teams really look like. And again, the message was clear. If your team is doing well today, that is great. But if you want them to stay high performing, you need to keep investing in them. That means regular reviews, proper recognition, meaningful conversations and showing up as a leader who cares.   Recognition, as Ali reminded us, is one of the most powerful tools in your leadership toolkit. And it is free. A sincere thank you, a moment of appreciation, and showing people they are seen and valued can have a bigger impact than any bonus or pay rise.  This episode is a must-listen for any MSP owner or senior team member who wants to create a business that works without them. If you are stuck in delivery, firefighting daily issues, or finding it hard to trust your team to take over, this conversation will help you see what needs to change. Ali Stewart has worked with hundreds of MSPs to help them make these transitions successfully, and the insights she shares here are packed with value and inspiration.  As ever, the key is to follow the process. Step out of the weeds. Develop your people. Create the space to think. And lead from the front.  If you want to learn more about her work and how she is helping MSPs and business leaders build stronger, people-first cultures, head to <a class= "Hyperlink SCXW175809292 BCX0" href= "https://www.linkedin.com/company/ali-stewart-&-co/" target= "_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.linkedin.com/company/ali-stewart-&-co/</a><a class="Hyperlink SCXW175809292 BCX0" href="https://www.alistewartandco.com/events." target="_blank" rel= "noreferrer noopener">.</a> There is so much more to learn from her and the tools she has developed. Or you can also connect with Ali Stewart through her LinkedIn by clicking <a class= "Hyperlink SCXW175809292 BCX0" href= "https://www.linkedin.com/company/ali-stewart-&-co/" target= "_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">HERE</a>.  Make sure to check out our <a class="Hyperlink SCXW175809292 BCX0" href= "https://themspgrowthhub.com/msp-growth-guide/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Ultimate MSP Growth Guide,</a> a free guide that walks you through a proven process to take your MSP from stuck to scalable, without working even more hours. It’s 44 pages rammed with advice, insights and inspiration to help you decide what support is available to you now if you want to grow and scale your business. Click <a class= "Hyperlink SCXW175809292 BCX0" href= "https://themspgrowthhub.com/msp-growth-guide/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">HERE</a> to get your copy.  Connect on LinkedIn <a class="Hyperlink SCXW175809292 BCX0" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ianluckett/" target="_blank" rel= "noreferrer noopener">HERE</a> with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this <a class= "Hyperlink SCXW175809292 BCX0" href= "https://www.linkedin.com/in/stuartwarwick/" target="_blank" rel= "noreferrer noopener">LINK</a>  And when you’re ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the <a class="Hyperlink SCXW175809292 BCX0" href= "https://scaleyourmspquiz.com/" target="_blank" rel= "noreferrer noopener">Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz</a>. In just three minutes, you’ll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads.  OR   To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click <a class= "Hyperlink SCXW175809292 BCX0" href= "https://www.facebook.com/groups/738967166458742/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">HERE</a>  Until next time, look after yourself and I’ll catch up with you soon!

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