Dan Moren returns to the show. Topics include Atlas, ChatGPT's new web browser (or anti-web browser) for the Mac; Apple's loss in a "landmark" regulatory lawsuit in the UK regarding App Store commission rates; multiple reports of poor sales for the iPhone Air; and Apple's M5 product announcements: MacBook Pro, iPads Pro, and Vision Pro.

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Transcripts: <a href="http://podsearch.david-smith.org/shows/11">Unofficial but surprisingly good</a>.

Links:

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<li><a href="https://apps.apple.com/us/app/sleep/id1038440371">Sleep++</a>, David Smith’s iOS sleep app that ties into Apple Health data, and gives what I think is a much more accurate and interesting “sleep score” than does Apple Health itself in iOS 26.</li>
<li>ChatGPT Atlas: new Chromium browser for Mac:
<ul><li><a href="https://openai.com/index/introducing-chatgpt-atlas/">OpenAI’s announcement</a>.</li>
<li><a href="https://help.openai.com/en/articles/12608430-chatgpt-atlas-default-browser-promotion">Their promotion</a> to get 7 days of higher ChatGPT usage if you make, and keep, Atlas as your default browser.</li>
<li>Anil Dash: “<a href="https://www.anildash.com/2025/10/22/atlas-anti-web-browser/">ChatGPT’s Atlas: The Browser That’s Anti-Web</a>”.</li>
<li><a href="https://simonwillison.net/2025/Oct/21/introducing-chatgpt-atlas/">Simon Willison’s initial thoughts</a>.</li>
<li><a href="https://mjtsai.com/blog/2025/10/22/chatgpt-atlas/#chatgpt-atlas-update-2025-10-23">Michael Tsai’s roundup of links</a>.</li></ul></li>
<li>Reuters: “<a href="https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/boards-policy-regulation/apple-loses-uk-lawsuit-over-app-store-commissions-2025-10-23/">Apple Loses Landmark UK Lawsuit Over App Store Commissions</a>”.</li>
<li><a href="https://daringfireball.net/linked/2025/10/22/nikkei-asia-iphone-air-slashed">Multiple reports suggest the iPhone Air is not selling well</a>.
<ul><li>But it seems like Apple <a href="https://www.threads.com/@thebasicappleguy/post/DQRyfheCYAW">isn’t doing any advertising for the iPhone Air</a> (or regular iPhone 17) at all — (yet?).</li></ul></li>
<li>Dan’s Six Colors coverage of the M5 speed bump updates from Apple:
<ul><li><a href="https://sixcolors.com/post/2025/10/the-macbook-pro-with-m5-is-alive/">Base model 14-inch MacBook Pro</a>.</li>
<li><a href="https://sixcolors.com/post/2025/10/the-ipad-pro-gets-the-m5-treatment/">11- and 13-inch iPads Pro</a>.</li>
<li><a href="https://sixcolors.com/post/2025/10/apple-launches-m5-powered-vision-pro-with-new-dual-knit-band/">Vision Pro</a>.</li></ul></li>
<li><a href="https://sixcolors.com/post/2025/10/m5-vision-pro-dual-kit-band-psvr2-controller-review-apples-experiment-continues/">Dan’s review of the new Dual Knit Band for Vision Pro</a> (which is now the only band included by default with the M5 models).</li>
<li><a href="https://daringfireball.net/2025/10/m5_chip_launches_with_macbook_pro_ipad_pro_vision_pro">My piece on the M5 announcements</a>.</li>
<li><a href="https://daringfireball.net/thetalkshow/2024/10/31/ep-412">Dan’s previous appearance on The Talk Show</a>, from October last year, talking about — déjà vu — new Mac hardware.</li>
<li><a href="https://udm14.com/">“&udm=14”</a> — AI-overview-free Google search, from Ernie Smith. Also: <a href="https://daringfireball.net/linked/2024/05/23/udm14">My DF post about it back in May</a>.</li>
<li><a href="https://dmoren.com/">Dan’s personal website</a>, with links to his science fiction <a href="https://dmoren.com/writing/">novels and short stories</a>.</li>
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This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

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