SummaryIn this crossover episode, Max Beauchemin explores how multiplayer, multi‑agent engineering is transforming the way individuals and teams build data and AI systems. He digs into the shifting boundary between data and AI engineering, the rise of “context as code,” and how just‑in‑time retrieval via MCP and CLIs lets agents gather what they need without bloating context windows. Max shares hard‑won practices from going “AI‑first” for most tasks, where humans focus on orchestration and taste, and the new bottlenecks that appear — code review, QA, async coordination — when execution accelerates 2–10x. He also dives deep into Agor, his open‑source agent orchestration platform: a spatial, multiplayer workspace that manages Git worktrees and live dev environments, templatizes prompts by workflow zones, supports session forking and sub‑sessions, and exposes an internal MCP so agents can schedule, monitor, and even coordinate other agents.Announcements<ul><li>Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data management</li><li>Data teams everywhere face the same problem: they're forcing ML models, streaming data, and real-time processing through orchestration tools built for simple ETL. The result? Inflexible infrastructure that can't adapt to different workloads. That's why Cash App and Cisco rely on Prefect. Cash App's fraud detection team got what they needed - flexible compute options, isolated environments for custom packages, and seamless data exchange between workflows. Each model runs on the right infrastructure, whether that's high-memory machines or distributed compute. Orchestration is the foundation that determines whether your data team ships or struggles. ETL, ML model training, AI Engineering, Streaming - Prefect runs it all from ingestion to activation in one platform. Whoop and 1Password also trust Prefect for their data operations. If these industry leaders use Prefect for critical workflows, see what it can do for you at <a href="https://www.dataengineeringpodcast.com/prefect" target="_blank">dataengineeringpodcast.com/prefect</a>.</li><li>Data migrations are brutal. They drag on for months—sometimes years—burning through resources and crushing team morale. Datafold's AI-powered Migration Agent changes all that. Their unique combination of AI code translation and automated data validation has helped companies complete migrations up to 10 times faster than manual approaches. And they're so confident in their solution, they'll actually guarantee your timeline in writing. Ready to turn your year-long migration into weeks? Visit <a href="https://www.dataengineeringpodcast.com/datafold" target="_blank">dataengineeringpodcast.com/datafold</a> today for the details.</li><li>Composable data infrastructure is great, until you spend all of your time gluing it together. Bruin is an open source framework, driven from the command line, that makes integration a breeze. Write Python and SQL to handle the business logic, and let Bruin handle the heavy lifting of data movement, lineage tracking, data quality monitoring, and governance enforcement. Bruin allows you to build end-to-end data workflows using AI, has connectors for hundreds of platforms, and helps data teams deliver faster. Teams that use Bruin need less engineering effort to process data and benefit from a fully integrated data platform. Go to <a href="https://www.dataengineeringpodcast.com/bruin" target="_blank">dataengineeringpodcast.com/bruin</a> today to get started. And for dbt Cloud customers, they'll give you $1,000 credit to migrate to Bruin Cloud.</li><li>Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Maxime Beauchemin about the impact of multi-player multi-agent engineering on individual and team velocity for building better data systems</li></ul>Interview<ul><li>Introduction</li><li>How did you get involved in the area of data management?</li><li>Can you start by giving an overview of the types of work that you are relying on AI development agents for?</li><li>As you bring agents into the mix for software engineering, what are the bottlenecks that start to show up?</li><li>In my own experience there are a finite number of agents that I can manage in parallel. How does Agor help to increase that limit?</li><li>How does making multi-agent management a multi-player experience change the dynamics of how you apply agentic engineering workflows?</li></ul>Contact Info<ul><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/maximebeauchemin/" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li></ul>Links<ul><li><a href="https://agor.live/" target="_blank">Agor</a></li><li><a href="https://airflow.apache.org/" target="_blank">Apache Airflow</a></li><li><a href="https://superset.apache.org/" target="_blank">Apache Superset</a></li><li><a href="https://preset.io/" target="_blank">Preset</a></li><li><a href="https://www.claude.com/product/claude-code" target="_blank">Claude Code</a></li><li><a href="https://openai.com/codex/" target="_blank">Codex</a></li><li><a href="https://github.com/microsoft/playwright-mcp" target="_blank">Playwright MCP</a></li><li><a href="https://github.com/tmux/tmux" target="_blank">Tmux</a></li><li><a href="https://git-scm.com/docs/git-worktree" target="_blank">Git Worktrees</a></li><li><a href="https://github.com/sst/opencode" target="_blank">Opencode.ai</a></li><li><a href="https://github.com/features/codespaces" target="_blank">GitHub Codespaces</a></li><li><a href="https://ona.com/" target="_blank">Ona</a></li></ul>The intro and outro music is from <a href="http://freemusicarchive.org/music/The_Freak_Fandango_Orchestra/Love_death_and_a_drunken_monkey/04_-_The_Hug" target="_blank">The Hug</a> by <a href="http://freemusicarchive.org/music/The_Freak_Fandango_Orchestra/" target="_blank">The Freak Fandango Orchestra</a> / <a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/" target="_blank">CC BY-SA</a>

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