Regulators try to freeze illicit stablecoins, but the money's usually gone before the freeze lands. The hosts on why crypto sanctions keep failing.

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A new academic paper from researchers across several Chinese universities makes a striking claim: a stablecoin freeze isn't really a freeze until the transaction lands in a block — which means the freeze itself can be front-run, and sanctions enforcement becomes a market-structure problem.
Katherine Kirkpatrick Bos, Jessi Brooks, and Vy Le — three general counsels who live where law meets code — work through what it means that Tether and Circle now do much of the government's freezing onchain. The paper's numbers unsettle them: by its count, across eight years only nine freezes caught the money midway.
From there the hosts widen out: the SEC and CFTC's joint push to harmonize margin rules, your ChatGPT logs turning up as evidence in the courtroom, the Legion lawsuit testing whether export law can govern who logs in to an AI model, and the Bernstein ruling that made code protected speech.
They close with a sober CLARITY Act update, a new CBDC-ban roadblock tangled in an unrelated veto fight, and why the end of MiCA's transition period in Europe might be the week's real good news.

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<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessi-brooks-8289ab32/">⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠</a><a href="https://x.com/kkirkbos">⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katherine Kirkpatrick Bos⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠</a>, General Counsel. Previously held senior legal roles across DeFi and centralized exchanges.
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<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessi-brooks-8289ab32/">⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jessi Brooks⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠</a>, General Counsel at Ribbit Capital<a href="https://x.com/kkirkbos">⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠</a>
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Timestamps
🏛️ 02:32 KK on why the SEC and CFTC margin harmonization matters for crypto perps
🧊 11:39 Vy on ordering power as sanctioning power and the paper behind it
⚡ 14:43 Why a stablecoin freeze can itself be front run
⚖️ 22:09 The third party doctrine and the risk of deputizing crypto's neutral actors
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💻 27:36 Jessi on why AI in the courtroom is really a software control story
🚪 30:13 The Legion lawsuit, export law, and the Bernstein code-as-speech fight
🔒 37:14 ChatGPT logs as courtroom evidence and why your AI chats aren't private
🏔️ 42:20 The CLARITY Act update: why KK is even more bearish on passage
🇪🇺 47:48 Why MiCA's transition deadline is the week's crypto good news Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://megaphone.fm/adchoices">megaphone.fm/adchoices</a>

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