Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency, or DOGE, has been edged out of the headlines this past week, or so, by the administration’s current flirtation with a constitutional crisis. But the DOGE team is still busy. One project on the office's agenda, originally <a href="https://www.wired.com/story/doge-rebuild-social-security-administration-cobol-benefits/">reported by WIRED</a> late last month, is to rewrite the Social Security Administration's code base—in other words, the agency's computer programs, which handle millions of Americans’ personal and financial data. Brooke sits down with <a href="https://web-cdn.bsky.app/profile/clivethompson.bsky.social">Clive Thompson,</a> author of <a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/539883/coders-by-clive-thompson/">Coders: The Making of a New Tribe and the Remaking of the World</a>, contributing writer to New York Times Magazine, and monthly columnist for Wired, to discuss the coding language under DOGE's microscope.   
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