&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;Our old friend Lulu Miller — former Radiolab producer, co-creator of Invisibilia — has been obsessed by the chaos that rules the universe since long before it showed up as a global pandemic, and a few weeks ago, she published a book about it. It’s called &lt;em&gt;Why Fish Don’t Exist&lt;/em&gt;. It’s part scientific adventure story, part philosophical manifesto, part chest-ripped-open memoir. Jad called her up to talk about how an obscure 19th century ichthyologist with a checkered past helped her find meaning in the world, and what she means when she says fish aren’t real.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;You can buy Lulu's book &lt;/span&gt;&lt;em class=""&gt;Why Fish Don’t Exist&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://bookshop.org/books/why-fish-don-t-exist-a-story-of-loss-love-and-the-hidden-order-of-life/9781501160271" title="https://www.indiebound.org/book/9781501160271"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span&gt;This episode was produced by Pat Walters. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Support&lt;em&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;em&gt; Radiolab today at &lt;a href="https://pledge3.wnyc.org/donate/radiolab-it/onestep/?utm_source=podcast&amp;amp;utm_medium=notes&amp;amp;utm_campaign=membership&amp;amp;utm_content=radiolab" target="_blank"&gt;Radiolab.org/donate&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/em&gt; &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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