Matt Pottinger is a distinguished visiting fellow at the Hoover Institution and chairman of the China Program at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. Matt served as U.S. Deputy National Security Advisor from 2019 to 2021. Before his White House service, Matt spent the late 1990s and early 2000s in China as a reporter for Reuters and The Wall Street Journal. He then fought in Iraq and Afghanistan as a U.S. Marine during three combat deployments between 2007 and 2010. Matt’s new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Boiling-Moat-Urgent-Defend-Taiwan/dp/0817926453/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Boiling Moat: Urgent Steps to Defend Taiwan</a>.Sponsors:<a href="https://wealthfront.com/tim" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Wealthfront</a>&nbsp;high-yield savings account:&nbsp;<a href="https://wealthfront.com/tim" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wealthfront.com/tim</a>&nbsp;(Start earning 5% interest on your savings. 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reassert its position as a beacon of democracy?[1:33:05] What prompted Matt to join the Marine Corps at age 32?[1:38:50] Getting in shape for the occasion.[1:40:45] Leadership lessons learned.[1:46:59] The Boiling Moat, the importance of public service, and parting thoughts.*For show notes and past guests on&nbsp;<a href="https://tim.blog/podcast" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Tim Ferriss Show</a>, please visit&nbsp;<a href="https://tim.blog/podcast/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=podcast-description" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">tim.blog/podcast</a>.For deals from sponsors of&nbsp;<a href="https://tim.blog/podcast" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Tim Ferriss Show</a>,&nbsp;please visit&nbsp;<a href="https://tim.blog/podcast-sponsors" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">tim.blog/podcast-sponsors</a>Sign up for Tim’s email newsletter (5-Bullet Friday) at&nbsp;<a href="https://go.tim.blog/5-bullet-friday-1/" 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#736: A Strategic Deep Dive on TikTok, The Boiling Moat of Taiwan, and China’s Next-Gen Statecraft — Matt Pottinger, Former U.S. Deputy National Security Advisor

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